Volta and Vega – AMD Has a Mountain to Climb.
Volta and Vega – AMD Has a Mountain to Climb.
Nvidia’s GTC and AMD’s FAD tells us a lot about the state of the GPU war.
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So now we know that the leaks were close to Vega 56 perf
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Jim, you might want to take a look at this
I’m just here for his accent.
AMD VEGA ” We bring the hot summer feeling while its winter ” with AMD ® tsjernobyl technology
Is it just me or does Jensen look like he has a massive head? Or does he just have a really small body? I can’t figure it out.
Hi Jim Watching your videos is quite the Roller Coaster Ride. At the conclusion of your "AMD Master Plan" you were almost giddy with excitement and anticipation. At the end of this video you expressed depression and resignation. Maybe Lisa Su did mislead us about the capabilities of Vega. Nonetheless I still think Vega can be an integral cog in AMD’s Plan. If after the bugs are cleaned up AMD can place it between the 1080 and the 1080ti in performance and price it to erode the 1080ti’s base, say 500 USD, then AMD will have an excellent placed tooled siphon off the NVIDIA Types frustrated with being fleeced (admittedly not a very big cohort) while at the same time giving the Polaris users who want additional performance a path to upgrade. As you have pointed out Jim 85% of all the GPU Cards sold are in the 100 to 300 dollar price class. This is the segment of the market AMD has cornered. AMD may not like the idea of creating yet another product that they reap Grocery Store Margins but that doesn’t mean it can’t be used to achieve the ends of the master plan. AMD has always been about price-to-performance and in this regard when RX Vega is released I would like to see someone dig up an R9 Fury and benchmark the Vega against it. (air cooled to air cooled) If it doesn’t measure up during that type of comparison then we can declare Vega a bust.
Do you know how to do math? 75fps is almost 100% more than 40fps… And on 2gb vram that TR benchmark is amazing. And that’s comparing a heavily overclocked card with a card that apparently has at least two Vega cards better than it…
Vega isnt primarilly made for games, it is made for FP16, 32 analysis for AI or scientific analysis and learning, or for single image rendering where is crushes Volta. Nvidia hits a different segment for realtime video where it crushes Vega. Volta has machine learning… but it is orders of magnitude behind googles ASIC machine learning card… even at 28nM the google ASIC crushes Volta. Each card has valuable assets for different markets.
Vega is not for gaming…
AMD fury is just a VEGA
Looking at the quarterly revenue trend Nvidia is expecting revenues to nearly double in Q317. Maybe that is when we will see Volta. I’m sure it’s not christmas shopping they’re predicting will double revenues….lol I hope so… I’ve been a surround gamer for nearly five years…what each new generation means to me is less cards to power a surround setup. From (4) 680s in quad sli to (4) 780tis, to (3) 980tis, and just recently (2) 1080tis. Each new upgrade has cost less starting with 980tis. Maybe with Volta you can finally power surround with one card. When I say power, I mean ultra settings at 5760×1080 with 60+ FPS… Personally, I want enough power to support surround in 4K (11,520 x 6480) at Ultra settings & 60+ FPS…. and 8K VR headsets too! There will never be a graphics cards that is "too" fast… I would love it if AMD came out with a card that smoked Nvidia’s best offering… I doubt I would ever buy one since there’s a lot more than simple FPS that goes into the buying decision… Driver support is huge. But it would still help to bring down the cost.
Raja Koduri said they lost sight on the Discrete graphics market over the past 5 years. What this is showing me is that Vega is the beta for what they are going to have in the future, the not even generation one of what is to come. 4 years ago was the last time AMD absolutely attacked the high end about the time also around the time all their APUs or the integrated stuff started to go into rnd and production. Just a connection and it doesn’t make sense but I can kind of see it.
How did you determine that the vega demo was 30% faster than your 2ghz 1070? Lets disregard the system spec for now, your capture starts at 52fps, vega starts at 79, thats 50% faster. When the camera is directly behind laura, your fps was 29, vega was 66… that is 127% faster.
Where in Scotland are you from?
Limit your videos to 10 min and you will get more subscriptions. 25-30 min. Is to long and have to commit yourself. 10-15 min. Is the sweet spot as you sit in a mall waiting for your wife to swipe your credit card.
Vega is coming out you nvidia fanboy and you’ll bite your toungue!
8:50 It’s funny watching this a year later when we can see the next year on this graph
Well now we can have more VRAM for example 1GB HBM2 = 4GB GDDR and 2GB HBM2 will be 8GB! o3o
It needed to come out a year ago. AMD would have been extremely competitive with everything up to and including the 1080 if Vega came out close to Polaris. As it is it’s looking like this is going to spend more of its life competing with Volta than Pascal, and that’s going to be an even tougher argument to make.
the Vega team should go away and just be told "have fun and design a GPU that will blow away anything on the market". As AMD did with THREADRIPPER..
get rid of the tensor cores and the TFLOP performance looks "meh" compared to Vega 64. 2.5 TFLOPs more in almost 2x the die size? Similar power draw?
Hey champ, can you present some info on "Infinity Fabric" tech, a brief on how it work with cpus and in relation to gpus and dual gpu usage. cheers
very easy to get to the top of a mountain first if you start 8 months before the other person. just saying
I can understand you perfectly.. but I’m from the colonies (Aus)
Vega, too late, sorry and maybe next decade I will consider you
Essentially, it doesn’t matter if Vega is 10 percent weaker than 1080 ti. Price vs performance that what is matter. If AMD gives the right price 500-600 vs 700 for 1080TI then everybody in right mind buy AMD Vega.
Jim, for just how on-point and right you are once again, I feel this time around *features* are being severely underrated and I’ll explain why…
if that High-Bandwich Cache Controller turns out to be as useful as we’ve seen in the tech demos and Linus’ preview so far, there might be some crazy developers (ID/Crytek/Futuremark) out there creating "HBCC-exclusive" Detail levels in games or demos with photorealistic 32gb+ texture and geometry sets. If it’s use becomes embedded in developers mindsets, also with realism in VR in mind.. it could be a literal game-changing feature no competitor has so far. *#YouReadItHereFirst*
I scared of prices going up for graphic cards what should we do ?
Hey, a bit late watching but I wanted to point out something. You said GP100 was 3584 cores, but that’s false. That’s the cut down 1080Ti and Titan X Pascal chips. The full GP100/GP102 dies are 3840 cores, as denoted in the Quadro P6000 and Titan Xp cards, which you can check from nVidia’s website directly. Maybe you can make a correction in an annotation or something.
Since u predicted vega perfectly what do u think Volta will be
Digital Natural Color on Nvidia is where Nvidia is way worse than AMD as far as color accuracy, and just overall color quality. AMD has MUCH better CoLoR quality.
Feels like Ferrari trying to catch up Mercedes in recent years [Formula 1]. Ferrari putting all their effort, sweat and tears and Mercedes still chilling up top.
At least vega will be decently priced.
Is whether Vega can beat a 1080ti really that important? Surely the main issue is whether it’s performance / $ can beat it?
His accent is adorable and I love him.
I wish I could understand what he was saying.
AI is a crazy thing to expect. It’s impossible to really make computers that can be 100% right. Or figure the answer to life the universe and everything. Take that galaxy sim. You run it again and again and you will always get changes in it. Computers have a problem with long math just as we find when we have a group of people that see a crime come up with different views of it. With computers if you say take the number 1 and start dividing it , the computer will reach a point when it reverse’s the process and comes back to 1.000003 ect. So we build AI’s, lock them in a room and tell them to come up with a answer and go back the next day only to see a smoking remains with one left that says the answer to life and universe and everything is purple. It is sure of it but they all got different answers and ended up going crazy and killing each other until one was left. LOL
To get it right you need a inf. bit computer to get a AI that is Right. As a 8 bit would find it’s answer is totally different from a 16 bit to a 32 bit ect.. Maybe quantum computers might, I don’t know enough about those to say one way or the other though.
I think to trust a AI that we can build to work is pretty stupid because we already know they will come up with a very close but wrong answer just the same.
Taking in to account computex, how does vega look now?
Pff, I bought Vega 56 at factory price brand new anyway, cheaper than 1070 in my country, ridicules really but I like it!
I will put money into AMD’s pocket for you guys so they can afford to make great cards again!
so vega not worth waiting for just get 1070 or what? lol
I’m afraid your right about AMD creating these future architectures that never eventuate (its sad because their niche technology is better than the opposition). They would be better off concentrating on the here and now. Which I believe is Nvidia’s philosophy how ever much I hate their architecture but love AMD’s. The AMD philosophy of build it and they will come only works if your first not second. I don’t see anyone on Youtube, except ‘AdoredTV’ & ‘the good old gamer’ talking about this. Will you hear shills like jays2cents and Linus etc talk about this, definitely not. Their going to keep it dumb down for the masses.
I did buy a 1080 but was not pleased with the performance – For that price I expected much more.
Tried a 480 for half the price – No apparent difference.
Just subbed on patreon, keep up the good work.
At AMD it is all about the IGPU and not the big cards.
Amd will continue making large Video cards for science and other uses mining etc..
But the IGPU is what AMD is all about and has been since the APU beginnings.
Soon 99.9% of all people will never pay big $ for a a big Video card to play games.
people want low cost low power usage and relatively cheap costs
I predict AMD will have a 7nm APU with HBM3 infinity fabric with navi cores within 2 years
which will have a lot of people in a very stunned state of mind.
doesnt ashes at 4k use over 8gb vram on 4k/crazy/x8 aa?
I’m Scottish but I tend to not sound like a Glaswegian council scheme bucky drinker. Absolutely no need to push my accent especially in situations where understanding may be problematic.
I’m amazed how others can still think Vega is going to be amazing. we know Vega will be good but nobody would ever believe that it’s gonna be faster than the 1080ti
Your accent needs getting used to, other than that it’s fine. I’m already used to it 😀
Great video as always!
how fast tech is going now im not sure id ever buy an nvidia top tier card, always overpriced
that why ive been with amd the past few years i guess their GPUs are more powerful at lower price points
than the nvidia cards = to their price
plus freesync monitors are much cheaper
nvidia solves those 2 problems for me or i get rich and ill switch
The professional market – deep learning, cloud computing, data centres is where the margins are that will return AMD to profitability, consoles/semi-custom/consumer house will be a stable source of revenue, enthusiast gaming GPUs are too niche, AMD hasn’t been able to sell to this market. No way consoles would have 1080 as they just use a more optimised OS to get higher level of performance from an RX480…